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标题: Richard Stallman 对 LLVM 的怨念很大啊 [打印本页]
作者: wait_rabbit    时间: 2014-01-27 10:15
标题: Richard Stallman 对 LLVM 的怨念很大啊

http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html
  1. In the free software movement, we campaign for the freedom of the users of computing. The values of free software are fundamentally different from the values of open source, which make "better code" the ultimate goal. If GCC were to change from a free compiler into a platform for nonfree compilers, it would no longer serve the goal of freedom very well. Therefore, we had to take care to prevent that.

  3. The Clang and LLVM developers reach different conclusions from ours because they do not share our values and goals. They object to the measures we have taken to defend freedom because they see the inconvenience of them and do not recognize (or don't care about) the need for them. I would guess they describe their work as "open source" and do not talk about freedom. They have been supported by Apple, the company which hates our freedom so much that its app store for the ithings _requires_ all apps to be nonfree.

  5. The nonfree compilers that are now based on LLVM prove that I was right -- that the danger was real. If I had "opened" up GCC code for use in nonfree combinations, that would not have prevented a defeat; rather, it would have caused that defeat to occur very soon.

  7. For GCC to be replaced by another technically superior compiler that defended freedom equally well would cause me some personal regret, but I would rejoice for the community's advance. The existence of LLVM is a terrible setback for our community precisely because it is not copylefted and can be used as the basis for nonfree compilers -- so that all contribution to LLVM directly helps proprietary software as much as it helps us.

  9. If you think we ought to "compromise" on this point, please see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/compromise.html.

  11. The only code that helps us and not our adversaries is copylefted code. Free software released under a pushover license is available for us to use, but available to our adversaries just as well. If you want your work to give freedom an advantage, use the leverage available to you -- copyleft your code. I invite those working on major add-ons to LLVM to release them under GNU GPL version-3-or-later.
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这是要圣战的节奏吗？

BSD 和 GPL，到底谁更 freedom？
作者: Hongqiyaodao    时间: 2014-01-27 12:14
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作者: sunny7476    时间: 2014-01-27 12:29
Richard Stallman就是GPL狂热者徒，除此之外所有理性的东西都听不进去。GPL只是GPL，不能与Free完全画等号，为了代码公开的延续性牺牲了部分自由特性，就不能认为是完全的Free了。
作者: ahocat    时间: 2014-01-28 11:02
GPL原教旨主义者！
作者: kangtian    时间: 2014-01-28 11:22
据说他年轻时是个舞蹈好手，后来膝盖受伤才转行当程序员、黑客的。

还有，据说他几乎不用信用卡结账，能用现金就用现金，买飞机票除外。
作者: pitonas    时间: 2014-01-28 14:45
人才啊
kangtian 发表于 2014-01-28 04:22
据说他年轻时是个舞蹈好手，后来膝盖受伤才转行当程序员、黑客的。

还有，据说他几乎不用信用卡结账，能 ...
作者: wait_rabbit    时间: 2014-01-28 15:02
sunny7476 发表于 2014-01-27 12:29
Richard Stallman就是GPL狂热者徒，除此之外所有理性的东西都听不进去。GPL只是GPL，不能与Free完全画等号， ...


不得中行而与之，必也狂狷乎。

狂者进取，也是蛮可爱的。
作者: gvim    时间: 2014-01-28 17:21
太执着就物极必反了
作者: Hongqiyaodao    时间: 2014-01-28 21:20
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作者: Hongqiyaodao    时间: 2014-01-28 22:08
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作者: sunny7476    时间: 2014-01-29 11:55
虽然我喜欢BSD许可，不过BSD系列有点高大上，个人玩不起啊。。。
作者: sunny7476    时间: 2014-01-29 12:03
忘了，还有前一阵子OpenBSD的窘境。BSD的可持续发展能力有欠缺啊。

总的来看，GPL才是自私的保障自己的生存而牺牲部分用户的权利。BSD才是面对用户完全自由的。
作者: redspider    时间: 2014-01-29 21:13
本帖最后由 redspider 于 2014-01-29 21:14 编辑

绝对的自由就是不自由，BSDL是在糟蹋自由。

GPL 才是自由的正解，永远支持 GPL，支持伟大的自由战士 RMS
作者: niao5929    时间: 2014-02-01 17:09
绝对的自由就是不自由，BSDL是在糟蹋自由。

GPL 才是自由的正解，永远支持 GPL，支持伟大的自由战士 RMS
自由就是自由，我们需要保持一种未来的自由，至于有些人用它来干什么，未来的自由它是管不了的。从这点说我觉得GPLV3就是自由。但它需要和其他的协议有一种兼容！！要不两败倶伤，更是那些非自由和开源软件支持者们的鱼利！！！
作者: pitonas    时间: 2014-02-04 10:55
Stallman就是,
也是蛮可爱的。
作者: action08    时间: 2014-02-04 17:12
我只是图混口饭吃的，谁让我喊啥我就喊啥



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