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[FreeBSD] HackerNews上关于FreeBSD vs Linux的讨论 [复制链接]

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发表于 2014-11-26 22:51 |只看该作者 |倒序浏览
HackerNews的item id=8645443(强烈吐槽:竟然发不了链接,返回后居然还把之前编辑的内容全部都清空,艹,艹,艹!)
这个帖子召唤出了大量HN潜水员啊,其中好多从FreeBSD 1.x, 2.x开始的老手,看了这些老手的回复受益颇多啊

一直想在自己的本子上用FreeBSD作主系统,可惜Radeon HD 6630M一直不支持,亮度没法调节,开桌面后鼠标移到屏幕边缘还会晃动[sigh]

另外网络管理有木有图形界面的啊,经常接入不同的无线,每次去改/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf相当不方便啊

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发表于 2014-11-27 09:57 |只看该作者
linux确实会更方便些,至少驱动支持更先进一些

你换主号发链接,肯定没问题

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发表于 2014-11-27 09:58 |只看该作者
另外网络管理有木有图形界面的啊,经常接入不同的无线,每次去改/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf相当不方便啊



不是有人喜欢装13喜欢敲命令的么,人家只要一行代码就ok了

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发表于 2014-11-28 10:53 |只看该作者
讨论的确实很精彩,虽然有些看不懂。

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8645443

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发表于 2014-11-28 11:13 |只看该作者
摘抄一段:
This is a brief (probably incomplete) summary of my understanding (many points also supported by the essays in your included link):

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Philosophy:

FreeBSD has the concept of a base system: a set of tools intended to work together harmoniously, maintained by a core group of people. You can easily find evidence of this by looking at the source code; the userspace tools sit right next to the kernel[0]. This is in contrast to _GNU_/Linux, where everything (including coreutils) is pulled in from various sources. Many Linux distributions emulate a base system by including utilities that transform the kernel into a complete standard system (e.g. Debian[1]).

[0]: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/tree/master/usr.bin

[1]: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s3.7

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Leadership:

Linux has a benevolent dictator who decides project direction[0], while FreeBSD has a core group of contributers who decide the future of the project. However, I'm not sure that the Cathedral vs. Bazaar is a fair comparison to impose on these projects[1]. In any case, both projects seem to have been getting things done, and unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I'm not too savvy on internal managerial disputes or issues.

[0]: http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torvalds/index.shtml

[1]: https://www.freebsd.org/advocacy/myths.html#closed-model

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Package Management:

The closest Linux distribution to FreeBSD is most likely Gentoo Linux, as its Portage system is very heavily inspired by the FreeBSD Ports system, in which all "packages" are simply recipes to build from source. You can even run the Gentoo project on a BSD kernel[0], although this sickens most FreeBSD users for some reason. Most other Linux distributions default to installing binary packages, which is also possible, but not traditional in FreeBSD[1].

[0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo/Alt#Gentoo.2FFreeBSD

[1]: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/pkgng-intro.html

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Process Management:

Linux has recently added LXC, while FreeBSD has had Jails for a while now[0]. LXC is much better marketed than BSD Jails through Docker, but Absolute FreeBSD has an excellent section that describes how to do isolated deployments via Jails[1]. FreeBSD also has the Linuxulator[2] that emulates 32-bit Linux system calls via FreeBSD system calls, allowing users to seamlessly run Linux binaries on FreeBSD. The FreeBSD startup system, however, has stayed more or less the same for the past few decades, revolving around an rc.conf file and init scripts. Linux has seen many more efforts in this area, including systemd and initramfs.

[0]: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails.html

[1]: http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-FreeBSD-Complete-Guide-Editio...

[2]: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/linuxemu.html

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Licensing:

BSD projects use a BSD license, which many businesses prefer over the GNU license used by Linux. However, this is a discussion that deserves more than a small summary.

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Misc:

Linux is most likely to support recent hardware because of extensive userbase and industry support. For example, NVidia's latest CUDA SDKs always have Linux bindings, but not BSD ones.

The BSDs have great reputations for killer implementations of TCP/IP.

The BSDs have been using the GEOM[0] disk management system for a long time, which is one of my personal favorites in terms of features. It allows you to treat character and block devices as pipes, so for example, adding encryption is simply "piping" a bare disk through an encryption layer, resulting in a new device. You can even "pipe" things across the network. Linux is somewhat caught up via device-mapper, so this is not a huge deal if you're trying to choose which one to use. Both are great operating systems. Just use whatever works.

[0] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom.html

It's likely that you know things that I don't, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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发表于 2014-12-04 10:11 |只看该作者
回复 4# lsstarboy


    谢谢,感觉老外讨论技术都非常有涵养




文化不同

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回复 4# lsstarboy


    还是版主厉害,只是有些看不懂.对于一个普通用户,我是完全看不懂,只是感觉到了,平民与Hacker的巨大差别...

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回复 7# BlueSky_Yu84


    用到的时候学的很快——我说我连高中都没有资格上你相信吗?我坚信姚明初中高中的英语不会很好。
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